Comments on: Adobe, Apollo, eBay and effectiveUI in InfoWorld http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/ People Deserve Better Software Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:58:50 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: paul warren http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-318 paul warren Thu, 31 May 2007 20:22:35 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-318 wooooooooo All sounds great, will have to read again to understand. You obviously put a lot of effort in research and I take my hat of to you. cheers Paul wooooooooo

All sounds great, will have to read again to understand.

You obviously put a lot of effort in research and I take my hat of to you.

cheers

Paul

]]> By: anthonyfranco http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-56 anthonyfranco Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:58:51 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-56 mlinaje, You have clearly done a good job defining what an RIA is... I also like the wikipedia definition of RIAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Internet_application I also agree that having to install a runtime to use an RIA defeats the purpose. However, I don't think Adobe is looking to replace the Flash player for Internet application deployment. In my opinion, they are looking to help RIA developers bring their skills to the desktop, and allow a way to leverage the excellent Flex UI framework to build better applications that happen to have online capabilities (should you decide to take advantage those online capabilities). i look at Apollo a little differently... it is a desktop development platform that we can use our existing web development skills to create. We can create a Flex (or HTML for that matter) application that is used entirely offline. We also can create "connected" or "occasionally connected" apps that give us the ability to communicate with a web hosted service... I also believe that there are more then just a few Java developers who are a little frustrated with the GUI development tools they have. Bruce Eckel wrote an excellent article on the subject: http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=193593 In any case, I appreciate you commenting on my post, please continue to do so! Anthony mlinaje,

You have clearly done a good job defining what an RIA is… I also like the wikipedia definition of RIAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Internet_application

I also agree that having to install a runtime to use an RIA defeats the purpose. However, I don’t think Adobe is looking to replace the Flash player for Internet application deployment. In my opinion, they are looking to help RIA developers bring their skills to the desktop, and allow a way to leverage the excellent Flex UI framework to build better applications that happen to have online capabilities (should you decide to take advantage those online capabilities). i look at Apollo a little differently… it is a desktop development platform that we can use our existing web development skills to create. We can create a Flex (or HTML for that matter) application that is used entirely offline. We also can create “connected” or “occasionally connected” apps that give us the ability to communicate with a web hosted service…

I also believe that there are more then just a few Java developers who are a little frustrated with the GUI development tools they have. Bruce Eckel wrote an excellent article on the subject:

http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=193593

In any case, I appreciate you commenting on my post, please continue to do so!

Anthony

]]> By: Ryan Stewart http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-54 Ryan Stewart Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:25:17 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-54 That's great news Anthony! Very cool. That’s great news Anthony! Very cool.

]]> By: mlinaje http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-53 mlinaje Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:31:23 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/adobe-apollo-ebay-and-effectiveui-in-infoworld/#comment-53 For me and some other people (J.Duhl), a Rich Internet Application is a Web application that allows: Interaction: Triggering of actions from the UI to obtain response expe-riences Multimedia: Media (text, graphics, audio, video and animations) and live media support Multi-device: Independence from the client rendering platform Unlimited widgets: Possibility of building new widgets, if necessary Visual continuity: Avoiding of page refresh Synchronization: Specification of temporal relationships among the UI elements N-Layers development: Separation of system development in multiple layers Dynamic data retrieval: Specification of time or event-triggered processes to send/receive information from the server asynchronously Parallel requests to diverse sources: Recovering of data from one or more sources at the same time asynchronously Personalisation: Possibility of adapting to globalisation (internationalisation and localisation), accessibility, etc. Interactive collaboration: Expression of inherent interactive Web collaboration in “real time” (synchronization of clients) No installation at the client-side: Possibility of running the application online, i.e., avoiding the installation at client, or offline Apollo, the same as Java Web Start, break the last point. I am sure that from the Entrerprise point of view it's easier to argue against Apollo than against Java. If Apollo overrides Flex/Flash will be the end for flashplayer-based applications. For me and some other people (J.Duhl), a Rich Internet Application is a Web application that allows:
Interaction: Triggering of actions from the UI to obtain response expe-riences
Multimedia: Media (text, graphics, audio, video and animations) and live media support
Multi-device: Independence from the client rendering platform
Unlimited widgets: Possibility of building new widgets, if necessary
Visual continuity: Avoiding of page refresh
Synchronization: Specification of temporal relationships among the UI elements
N-Layers development: Separation of system development in multiple layers
Dynamic data retrieval: Specification of time or event-triggered processes to send/receive information from the server asynchronously
Parallel requests to diverse sources: Recovering of data from one or more sources at the same time asynchronously
Personalisation: Possibility of adapting to globalisation (internationalisation and localisation), accessibility, etc.
Interactive collaboration: Expression of inherent interactive Web collaboration in “real time” (synchronization of clients)
No installation at the client-side: Possibility of running the application online, i.e., avoiding the installation at client, or offline

Apollo, the same as Java Web Start, break the last point.
I am sure that from the Entrerprise point of view it’s easier to argue against Apollo than against Java.

If Apollo overrides Flex/Flash will be the end for flashplayer-based applications.

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