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	<title>Comments on: Flash Is Bad &#8211; Answering objections to Rich Internet Applications (RIAs)</title>
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		<title>By: anthonyfranco</title>
		<link>http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/flash-is-bad-answering-objections-to-rich-internet-applications-rias/#comment-4499</link>
		<dc:creator>anthonyfranco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are saying css/javascript is as powerful as Flash, you are either inexperienced or blind. I usually am not that blunt, but I am getting exhausted listening to developers spout off as they know better than anyone else. The truth is that javascript has its place, so does flash - this post was meant to answer the common objections we see when suggesting Flash or Silverlight as a potential solution, not as a comprehensive list of Flash&#039;s features you dolt!- If you would like a deeper dig into the benefits of Javascript over Flash, look at my previous blog post here:

http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/flex-and-ajax-friends-or-foes/

(sorry, had a rough day today and just needed to vent - that felt good)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are saying css/javascript is as powerful as Flash, you are either inexperienced or blind. I usually am not that blunt, but I am getting exhausted listening to developers spout off as they know better than anyone else. The truth is that javascript has its place, so does flash &#8211; this post was meant to answer the common objections we see when suggesting Flash or Silverlight as a potential solution, not as a comprehensive list of Flash&#8217;s features you dolt!- If you would like a deeper dig into the benefits of Javascript over Flash, look at my previous blog post here:</p>
<p><a href="http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/flex-and-ajax-friends-or-foes/" rel="nofollow">http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/flex-and-ajax-friends-or-foes/</a></p>
<p>(sorry, had a rough day today and just needed to vent &#8211; that felt good)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iphone does not support flash. Also everything positive you mentioned about flash can be done with css/javascript.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iphone does not support flash. Also everything positive you mentioned about flash can be done with css/javascript.</p>
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		<title>By: How Webkit&#8217;s CSS Animation could kill Flash and Silverlight &#8230;. NOT &#171; Anthony&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Webkit&#8217;s CSS Animation could kill Flash and Silverlight &#8230;. NOT &#171; Anthony&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t want to re-hash an older blog post about flash, but these developers are just missing the point. Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, CSS - are all merely [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don&#8217;t want to re-hash an older blog post about flash, but these developers are just missing the point. Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, CSS &#8211; are all merely [...]</p>
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		<title>By: çeçenistan</title>
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		<dc:creator>çeçenistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! More in similar vein here:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/09/top_anti-flash.cfm

(I wasn’t able to understand The Register’s emphasis on markup and cookies either, but I know that other staffers have been working with those authors.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! More in similar vein here:<br />
<a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/09/top_anti-flash.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/09/top_anti-flash.cfm</a></p>
<p>(I wasn’t able to understand The Register’s emphasis on markup and cookies either, but I know that other staffers have been working with those authors.)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly flash has many uses, but as clients move to mobile platforms (e.g. iPhone), flash is the laggard, still not ported.  It seems much more rational to avoid processor and bandwidth intensive approaches whenever possible, for reasons of efficiency and sustainability.  Flash is a scourge on the web, abused as a site building tool, often out of convenience, and breaking the basic functionality of many sites for those unable to load Adobe&#039;s code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly flash has many uses, but as clients move to mobile platforms (e.g. iPhone), flash is the laggard, still not ported.  It seems much more rational to avoid processor and bandwidth intensive approaches whenever possible, for reasons of efficiency and sustainability.  Flash is a scourge on the web, abused as a site building tool, often out of convenience, and breaking the basic functionality of many sites for those unable to load Adobe&#8217;s code.</p>
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		<title>By: infobuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>infobuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 08:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is just plain wrong. The Flex components are Section 508 compliant. In fact, Adobe has a whole department dedicated to ensuring the Flex framework is, and remains 508 compliant. However, If accessibility is a requirement [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is just plain wrong. The Flex components are Section 508 compliant. In fact, Adobe has a whole department dedicated to ensuring the Flex framework is, and remains 508 compliant. However, If accessibility is a requirement [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RIActu &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Les RIA, c&#8217;est pas cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIActu &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Les RIA, c&#8217;est pas cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] alors que ce domaine est loin d&#8217;être ma spécialité. Je vous redirigerai simplement vers ce billet, tout en citant cette phrase : This is just plain wrong. The Flex components are Section 508 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] alors que ce domaine est loin d&#8217;être ma spécialité. Je vous redirigerai simplement vers ce billet, tout en citant cette phrase : This is just plain wrong. The Flex components are Section 508 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: eksith</title>
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		<dc:creator>eksith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not like you have to re-create your whole Flash app from scratch everytime you need to add content.

90%-95% Of all these complaints can be solved by creating a web application with XML output that can be adapted for HTML and Flash. And HTML is also abused a lot too, just as Flash.

I don&#039;t see why a site would always have to be one OR the other, when often it&#039;s better to leave the option for the user.

Since Flash deals very nicely with XML, your content can rest very easily in a minimalistic Flash website, and use a display template for viewing via HTML. 

This can also solve the plugin download issue, since the content is exactly the same, the display method can be seamlessly swapped for HTML.

Storing content in XML also solves the localization problem, since it&#039;s a matter of getting a different definition set based on browser settings or whatever interface selection is required.

Problem solved!

There&#039;s a time and a place for everything, and HTML can&#039;t cut it all the time. 
In fact, even Wordpress uses a flash app for showing stats. It&#039;s, obviously, just more effective in rich UIs than HTML.

A little planning goes a long way to solve both HTML and Flash &quot;problems&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not like you have to re-create your whole Flash app from scratch everytime you need to add content.</p>
<p>90%-95% Of all these complaints can be solved by creating a web application with XML output that can be adapted for HTML and Flash. And HTML is also abused a lot too, just as Flash.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why a site would always have to be one OR the other, when often it&#8217;s better to leave the option for the user.</p>
<p>Since Flash deals very nicely with XML, your content can rest very easily in a minimalistic Flash website, and use a display template for viewing via HTML. </p>
<p>This can also solve the plugin download issue, since the content is exactly the same, the display method can be seamlessly swapped for HTML.</p>
<p>Storing content in XML also solves the localization problem, since it&#8217;s a matter of getting a different definition set based on browser settings or whatever interface selection is required.</p>
<p>Problem solved!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a time and a place for everything, and HTML can&#8217;t cut it all the time.<br />
In fact, even WordPress uses a flash app for showing stats. It&#8217;s, obviously, just more effective in rich UIs than HTML.</p>
<p>A little planning goes a long way to solve both HTML and Flash &#8220;problems&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flash is Not Bad (In case you didn&#8217;t know)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flash is Not Bad (In case you didn&#8217;t know)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is a great post describing why Flash is not bad when it is used properly &#8212; and why its often the best choice for many applications and User Interface experiences.The author (Anthony from EffectiveUI) covers topics such as Flash and SEO, the size of Flash content, and accessibility &#8212; which we&#8217;ve all heard about for years as the main barriers to Flash&#8217;s acceptance.  Check it out here.   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here is a great post describing why Flash is not bad when it is used properly &#8212; and why its often the best choice for many applications and User Interface experiences.The author (Anthony from EffectiveUI) covers topics such as Flash and SEO, the size of Flash content, and accessibility &#8212; which we&#8217;ve all heard about for years as the main barriers to Flash&#8217;s acceptance.  Check it out here.   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: anthonyfranco</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthonyfranco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I hear this a ton: &quot;Why do the extra work to build something in Flash?&quot; ... what you are really saying is &quot;Why do the extra work to engage my customers?&quot; ... the reality is that you can build 2 applications using an integrated content management system to drive both. For some  organizations, building a accessible, SEO and engaging application cost prohibitive; they have to make a choice on one or the other. However, for government and large enterprises, it makes sense for them to differentiate on usability. In those cases, creating segmented user experiences for specific users has a much higher return on investment than creating one experience that has to suit everybody.  If architected correctly, building 2, 3 or 4 different applications does not have to be 2, 3, or 4 times as expensive.

Also, to answer your question &quot;do most people use best practices when building RIAs?&quot;  -- than answer is &quot;not yet, so you should hire a company to get you on the right path&quot;  - [insert shameless self promotion here] ;)

-Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I hear this a ton: &#8220;Why do the extra work to build something in Flash?&#8221; &#8230; what you are really saying is &#8220;Why do the extra work to engage my customers?&#8221; &#8230; the reality is that you can build 2 applications using an integrated content management system to drive both. For some  organizations, building a accessible, SEO and engaging application cost prohibitive; they have to make a choice on one or the other. However, for government and large enterprises, it makes sense for them to differentiate on usability. In those cases, creating segmented user experiences for specific users has a much higher return on investment than creating one experience that has to suit everybody.  If architected correctly, building 2, 3 or 4 different applications does not have to be 2, 3, or 4 times as expensive.</p>
<p>Also, to answer your question &#8220;do most people use best practices when building RIAs?&#8221;  &#8212; than answer is &#8220;not yet, so you should hire a company to get you on the right path&#8221;  &#8211; [insert shameless self promotion here] ;)</p>
<p>-Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting how the final answers to several of the issues is to build two sites. Somehow I don&#039;t see &quot;use Flash and do twice the work&quot; as a major selling point.

Also, your first item points out several ways one could reduce the footprint... but do most people do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how the final answers to several of the issues is to build two sites. Somehow I don&#8217;t see &#8220;use Flash and do twice the work&#8221; as a major selling point.</p>
<p>Also, your first item points out several ways one could reduce the footprint&#8230; but do most people do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Platte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Platte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vulture Central, eh? ;) 

Having read their article this morning I expected to find all of Adobe-land up in arms to battle this new, yet vaguely-similar-to-the-old-XSS-exploits that are warned about in documentation, best practises and such.

Needless to say, I found no such uproar.

Now, back to celebrating Sir Isaac Newtonmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vulture Central, eh? ;) </p>
<p>Having read their article this morning I expected to find all of Adobe-land up in arms to battle this new, yet vaguely-similar-to-the-old-XSS-exploits that are warned about in documentation, best practises and such.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I found no such uproar.</p>
<p>Now, back to celebrating Sir Isaac Newtonmas!</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! More in similar vein here:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/09/top_anti-flash.cfm

(I wasn&#039;t able to understand The Register&#039;s emphasis on markup and cookies either, but I know that other staffers have been working with those authors.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! More in similar vein here:<br />
<a href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/09/top_anti-flash.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/09/top_anti-flash.cfm</a></p>
<p>(I wasn&#8217;t able to understand The Register&#8217;s emphasis on markup and cookies either, but I know that other staffers have been working with those authors.)</p>
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		<title>By: Flash is Bad? - untrue - EffectiveUI&#8217;s Anthony Franco shares his exerience &#171; Cyberspace Nova</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flash is Bad? - untrue - EffectiveUI&#8217;s Anthony Franco shares his exerience &#171; Cyberspace Nova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the article   Explore posts in the same categories: Actionscript 2.0, Actionscript 3.0, Applications, Flash, Flex, Web developer [...]</description>
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