Comments on: How Webkit’s CSS Animation could kill Flash and Silverlight …. NOT http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/ People Deserve Better Software Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:25:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: flash designer http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4837 flash designer Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:03:17 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4837 It all boils down to the designer. This whole "flash is bad" discussion is useless, it's like saying cars are bad because they cause accidents, which is not correct as in 99% of all accidents it's the driver that causes the problem. It all boils down to the designer. This whole “flash is bad” discussion is useless, it’s like saying cars are bad because they cause accidents, which is not correct as in 99% of all accidents it’s the driver that causes the problem.

]]> By: Seán http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4816 Seán Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:44:32 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4816 As end users you wouldn't be aware of important design criteria used throughout the discipline. Suffice to say the Flash product is not usable in any meaningful way. It is undoubtedly one of the greatest killer apps of all time it's right up there with spreadsheets. It's not safe to tie a system to a single proprietary component. As end users you wouldn’t be aware of important design criteria used throughout the discipline. Suffice to say the Flash product is not usable in any meaningful way. It is undoubtedly one of the greatest killer apps of all time it’s right up there with spreadsheets. It’s not safe to tie a system to a single proprietary component.

]]> By: bit http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4653 bit Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:55:55 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4653 Yknow... I've noticed how every time a developer does something stupid, it's because he thinks his little website is ment to be a "platform" or an "application". Wake up people! the browser is your tool, and it's not ment to be anything more than what its name implies. If you want to create an application, don't be such a godamn amateur about it. Create your own software, with its own process, in its own window. Thats how you properly use a computers' architecture. Yknow… I’ve noticed how every time a developer does something stupid, it’s because he thinks his little website is ment to be a “platform” or an “application”.

Wake up people! the browser is your tool, and it’s not ment to be anything more than what its name implies.

If you want to create an application, don’t be such a godamn amateur about it. Create your own software, with its own process, in its own window. Thats how you properly use a computers’ architecture.

]]> By: Suede http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4589 Suede Mon, 04 May 2009 08:27:00 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4589 I believe it's wrong to say "I hope Flash dies". Flash is there for a purpose and it can materialize things that cannot be implemented with other technologies. People just misuse it. I believe it’s wrong to say “I hope Flash dies”. Flash is there for a purpose and it can materialize things that cannot be implemented with other technologies. People just misuse it.

]]> By: anthonyfranco http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4573 anthonyfranco Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:45:49 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4573 Andrés, did you actually READ the post? Andrés, did you actually READ the post?

]]> By: Andrés http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4572 Andrés Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:51:08 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4572 Kill....?? come on, bullshit.... Kill….??
come on, bullshit….

]]> By: Michael http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4571 Michael Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:44:21 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4571 I think the attacks on Flash (and most technologies) is somewhat misplaced. I think the concept of Flash is fine, but it's implementation, and/or usage, is poor. For example, the Flash plug-in for Macs is horrible. It causes many of the crashes Safari has. (Personally, I think that the plug-in architecture that constantly has to be updated, such as Flash, Silverlight, etc. is a nuisance). Flash is also the poster child technology of many a poorly designed website. All those annoying ads, etc. are almost always in Flash. However, you are correct in saying that Flash has it's uses. It can stretch beyond the boundaries of a browser window better than some other technologies. In the end we do have to use the right tool, for the right job, but also in the right fashion. Personally, if I can use something like CSS Animation, Javascript, etc, that is native to every browser and doesn't require the user constantly update like Flash and Silverlight do, the better. I think the attacks on Flash (and most technologies) is somewhat misplaced. I think the concept of Flash is fine, but it’s implementation, and/or usage, is poor.

For example, the Flash plug-in for Macs is horrible. It causes many of the crashes Safari has. (Personally, I think that the plug-in architecture that constantly has to be updated, such as Flash, Silverlight, etc. is a nuisance).

Flash is also the poster child technology of many a poorly designed website. All those annoying ads, etc. are almost always in Flash.

However, you are correct in saying that Flash has it’s uses. It can stretch beyond the boundaries of a browser window better than some other technologies. In the end we do have to use the right tool, for the right job, but also in the right fashion. Personally, if I can use something like CSS Animation, Javascript, etc, that is native to every browser and doesn’t require the user constantly update like Flash and Silverlight do, the better.

]]> By: Roland Zwaga http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4524 Roland Zwaga Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:35:45 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4524 I can not agree more with your last sentence: 'One last thing … A simple plea to the technology community : drop the religious fanaticism for or against any particular technology - it shows your inexperience and your unwillingness to do your homework. Focus on the end goal: creating better software for people…' I'll say a huge AMEN to that! I wish I could work at your company... :) I can not agree more with your last sentence:

‘One last thing … A simple plea to the technology community : drop the religious fanaticism for or against any particular technology – it shows your inexperience and your unwillingness to do your homework. Focus on the end goal: creating better software for people…’

I’ll say a huge AMEN to that!
I wish I could work at your company… :)

]]> By: prashant http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4497 prashant Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:29:35 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4497 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

]]> By: prashant http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4496 prashant Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:27:23 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4496 hi This is really good hi This is really good

]]> By: christian http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4494 christian Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:14:46 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4494 I wrote recently about Plugin VS Standards, and yep, until there is competition between browsers, Adobe is safe: https://blogs.conchango.com/filthyria/archive/2008/10/04/future-of-browser-s-plugins.aspx I wrote recently about Plugin VS Standards, and yep, until there is competition between browsers, Adobe is safe: https://blogs.conchango.com/filthyria/archive/2008/10/04/future-of-browser-s-plugins.aspx

]]> By: eksith http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4447 eksith Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:51:39 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4447 This is like the web equivalent of VHS vs Betamax war. In the end, it's not about functionality or capability. It's about consumer adoption and actual usage. What is Flash mostly being used for today? If it's rich user interfaces and web functionality, then it's VHS. If it's mostly widgets and a few nice tricks, then it's beta. Irrespective of quality. I don't believe most resonable developers think Webkit will rip Flash a new one. If anything a heterogeneous rich UI world may be a good thing. And some of those comments make me seriously question if they are indeed web developers... Or if they are, heaven help us! This is like the web equivalent of VHS vs Betamax war. In the end, it’s not about functionality or capability. It’s about consumer adoption and actual usage.

What is Flash mostly being used for today?
If it’s rich user interfaces and web functionality, then it’s VHS.
If it’s mostly widgets and a few nice tricks, then it’s beta. Irrespective of quality.

I don’t believe most resonable developers think Webkit will rip Flash a new one. If anything a heterogeneous rich UI world may be a good thing.

And some of those comments make me seriously question if they are indeed web developers… Or if they are, heaven help us!

]]> By: ethan http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4446 ethan Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:32:47 +0000 http://anthonyfranco.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/how-webkits-css-animation-could-kill-flash-and-silverlight-not/#comment-4446 People who value or need a deeper experience appreciate the power of flash-movie sites, experience sites, elearning, complex data visualization/graphs. I'm a pragmatist-to generate the elearning i make, have the least browser issues, have the ability to do data management, and also make complex animation/simulations, in reasonable time there is simply nothing else. Tell me how the new css animations will allow me to do an interactive exploded view of an auto engine for the techs? Another example-how can you do this without flash: http://microsites.audi.com/vdt-onlinespecial/ Also bad 508 support has more to do with the developer not setting up the project correctly than a lack of support in flash. You just have to take the time to add it in. Given an interactive exploded 3d model of an engine will not be useful for say a blind person generally. In those cases we just make a standard page turner with a text based description of the content. Also when users complain about slow flash performance i find it usually has more to do with older hardware (why can't i run full screen mpg4 video in flash on my intel 800ghz dell laptop?), overly aggressive virusscan software or some other stupid process the IT dept has running. For home computers the typical issue is having all this adware, malware etc. installed. People who value or need a deeper experience appreciate the power of flash-movie sites, experience sites, elearning, complex data visualization/graphs. I’m a pragmatist-to generate the elearning i make, have the least browser issues, have the ability to do data management, and also make complex animation/simulations, in reasonable time there is simply nothing else. Tell me how the new css animations will allow me to do an interactive exploded view of an auto engine for the techs?
Another example-how can you do this without flash:

http://microsites.audi.com/vdt-onlinespecial/

Also bad 508 support has more to do with the developer not setting up the project correctly than a lack of support in flash. You just have to take the time to add it in. Given an interactive exploded 3d model of an engine will not be useful for say a blind person generally. In those cases we just make a standard page turner with a text based description of the content.

Also when users complain about slow flash performance i find it usually has more to do with older hardware (why can’t i run full screen mpg4 video in flash on my intel 800ghz dell laptop?), overly aggressive virusscan software or some other stupid process the IT dept has running. For home computers the typical issue is having all this adware, malware etc. installed.

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